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| Ok, I dont follow politics, and alot of their mumbo-jumbo meens nothing to me. On this forum, and others that I visit. Folks are always discussing the Government taking away the guns. How do they ever realisticly think that they could remove guns from the public, when there are thousands being made, and sold each day? Not to mention the millions already floating around. I could see them stopping the ammo makers from making ammo, because not to many guns are worth much without bullets. That wont stop the folks that load there own, except they wont be able to buy any more supplies. Where would they start? Would they put out fliers stating that you must turn your firearms in or go to jail? What about the firearms that are not registered to you? I dont know how other states do it, but in Kansas if you buy a gun that Joe Blow listed in the paper, You do not have to register it in your name. I got this info from my cousin that happens to be the County Sheriff of the town I live in. So how in the heck are they gonna know whos got what, where? Are the police gonna knock at your door or storm our house looking for guns? They can if they want, but I'll have guns buried from here to Texas. I can promise you that! I will NEVER give up my guns!!! I want to be able to teach my son to hunt, as well as the fun and enjoyment one can have just shooting {safely' target='blank'> at the range. As im sure all of you know, or have heard. The only ones that will have the guns will be the criminals. The folks that dont have the right to own guns because of their past actions, will still be running around with these guns shooting people. Well what about me? I am a law abiding citizen, and have every right to have guns. Then theres these idiots out shooting at cars going down the highways. This does nothing but fuel the gun-ban fire. There is no way of knowing who is one day going to decide to get up that day and start shooting people, but I dont think that punishing all gun owners is the awnser. I dont have an awnser. In fact the only thing im sure of is, ill either be in jail, or they will be PRYING THEM FROM MY DEAD COLD HANDS!!! I do not mean this thread to be threatning or negetive, and maybe it only shows my ignorance on the subject. It just tans my hide to hear these a-holes that have probably never even shot a gun before trying to dictate my rights as an American. I love America, and will stand against any man that says otherwise! All the law enforcment officers in this town know how I stand on this subject, and im pretty sure they know I wont be giving up any time soon. So tell me the truth. What would you fella's do if you got that letter in the mail? BBW. | |
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| You can look at what was done in Canada, the UK and Australia to see how they would do it. First make it a law that people had to register their firearms by a certain date. After you have them registered (yes, a very large number still won't be) you make it illegal to own them and tell people they have until a certain date to turn them in, if they don't it will be a felony. Since now the police have a list of people who owned guns (but not all of them) they could easily match that up against the list of guns that were turned in to see who still has them. Would it work in the US? For all practical purposes I don't think so. Conservative estimates say there are 200,000,000 guns in the US, I personaly think there are many more, and the majority of those either have a paper trail a mile long that would be impossible to follow or aren't listed anywhere anymore. Washington is like KS, there isn't any paperwork required when selling firearms between individuals, so they would really have no way to proove I still own any firearms. The only way they could get rid of the guns in America would be by going house to house searching for them. And how long do you think people would stand up for that before there was, um...resistance. I don't think there's any way the government could really disarm the public unless the public willingly goes along with it - and a very large number never will. But that doesn't mean they won't continue to try.  | |
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| When it goes house to house there will be resistance, least ways there will be at my house. The Constitution does not insure or grant anything. It comes from the heart and mind. There is a line in the sand out there somewhere, problem is that liberals don't see or believe that. Why do they call them LIBERALS? Is that plural for Liberace? | |
Does anyone know where the love of God goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours? | |
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| Maybe their liberals because they want to liberate you from your rights; not to mention you paycheck (in the for of taxes for those who don't work) Could be Several liberace's though | |
Is it deer season yet? | |
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Well fella's thanks for your replies. I kinda figured there would be more out there wanting to vent. I certainly hope there will be more to put up the fight if and when the time comes. I know alot of people that talk the talk, but when it comes down to it they will hand them over, smile and bend over for their reward. "I KNOW" We'll start are own militia, and John K can be are general. LOL.  BBW | |
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define criminal, the feller that just robbed you at gunpoint or the one that is shootin cans in the desert when guns are outlawed? | |
"If it’s about the lives of my men and their safety, I’d go through hell with a gasoline can," Lt. Col. Allen West, U.S. Army, Tikrit, Iraq | |
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| With the current rise in states that allow concealed carry, I hope that the tide has turned in our favor. The problem is the way our rights are whittled down, a little at a time. The teaching of our children, is more important than any of us can comprehend. The national education assoc. thinks it's important, PBS thinks it's important, the mainstream media thinks it's important.They know that to teach a youngster, that guns have no place in a modern society, is to win the war. Maybe they are more patient than they used to be, but it's a long war. Our job, is to show our kids the truth about our rights. They are just as important today as they were when they were written. During the last election. The political adds in New Jersey, were fired with anti gun sentiment. I remember some of them saying that if you vote for so and so, he'll vote to allow people to carry guns on the streets of New Jersey. I kept thinking that the people were already guaranteed that right by the Constitution, but the people of New Jersey bought into it. They are horrified at the thought of common citizens being allowed to excersize their rights. When the guns are outlawed by this government, it will be time to take the country back, in the name of our constitution, which as good citizens, we should all be willing to defend anyway. Don | |
Uva Uvam Vivendo Varia Fit | |
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| BigBlue, You have make some very good observations. It really is important to allow our children and grandchildren to hear our side of the issue long before they are indoctrinated by public schools and etc. All of my grandchildren are home educated, as is my baby girl's fiancee (she's getting married the 27th of this month!) which helps in the war for their minds. However, this same fiancee has a concealed carry permit. I wonder if that permit isn't just a glorified registration so they will know where to look when it comes time for confiscation? | |
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| All, New Jersey, as a state (of Mind), only wants to be safe. Freedom, by definition is not free or safe. Total security only comes at the cost of total slavery. As an engineer, I was taught two laws of thermodynamics that are applicable from space ships to human philosophy. The first law is that God wound up the universe and its slowly winding down. This is why iron and steel rust and your car needs maintenance. Why all things need upkeep to keep being useful. Freedom must be maintained periodically and that means you have to work for it. The folks in New Jersey and elsewhere are either too tired or lazy to work for their freedom. The second law basically says there ain't no free lunch. Anything you want to change requires an expenditure of energy. People assume you can trade security for freedom because they are lied to about the fact they no longer have to work for it. The lie about there being a free lunch. They're too lazy to vote for someone who will maintain they're freedom, but the bad news with freedom, they have to provide they're own security. This country as a whole is getting fat, dumb and happy and really does't value freedom for the rare commodity it is. As long as they are safe and secure with their entertainment and toys, freedom and gun ownership are not valued and probably won't be until they are cold, wet, and hungry. Which any thinking man will tell you is way too late. Grabbing the guns through various means is probably coming. It won't be pretty and it won't be organized initially. The bureaucrats are absoluteyl committed and will find ways to get them. Fortunately, this country still has a few folks with enough backbone to resist. But, until a majority of folks are truly cold, wet and hungry, the majority of this third generation of New Deal socialism will probably hand over their guns without a whimper or complaint. We are cursed to live in interesting times. Keep 'em locked and loaded. AB | |
An armed Man is a Free Man. | |
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| New Jersey is not alone in this way of thinking. New York, California, Ohio, Washington D.C., and others are right in step. The freedom from criminal behavior they sought, has led them to the point that they were willing to give up certain freedoms in favor of a little temporary security, now they have neither. The people of New Jersey are so wrapped up in making money, nothing else matters. Of course when the average home costs about $250,000.00 and the average tax bill is $8000.00, I guess making money, comes high on the list. Indoctrination works, our children's thoughts and minds are up for grabs, and we are the only ones able to properly shape them, to save the Second Amendment from extinction. Don | |
Uva Uvam Vivendo Varia Fit | |
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| Dammit AB! Good post,just my thoughts - globally. I live in Finland,that may look far away. I have lived in NYC, Rio De Janeiro,Spain,India,travelled all over the world except Africa... yes,I chose to live here. In a rural area where I was born. I am one of the few who hasn´t forgot history, in this "more money as fast as possible" -hi tech civilized culture. I´ve been globally worried for a long time. It´s happening all over the world and we need to stick together,we who prefer freedom. Great post indeed. Welcome to the forum! | |
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| Well im glad to see there are some more folks out there with some BALLS. Bentbarrel, I think I know what your getting at. If and when this great gun-ban bull**** comes about, it will be a sad thing that our guns will probably have to go into hiding. We will not be able to shoot them without attracting someones attention. This of course means, no hunting, no target practice, and keeping it a secret from everyone one you know. With the exception of close family or freinds that you trust. Yes it will become a real pain in the ass to keep from going to jail just because the wrong fella saw a pistol in your possesion, and feels like hes doing the right thing by turning you in. Just a windy cowboy's opinion. BBW Edited on 12/8/2003 11:14:07 AM. | |
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| if i may be so bold hahaha. if it were to come to a showdown so to speak. im gonna keep guns, period. ill have some throw aways such as cheapies, or pieces of junk to hand em, and smile while im doin it. the expression of " pryin em from my cold dead fingers " is like the road signs in Texas " dont mess with Texas " well lemme tell ya hahaha. that is a sign just askin for messin with hahaha. heaven forbid it ever happen, and the authorities come after my guns, they get junk. they are happy and im gonna be a criminal. but ill have guns. and ill be alive or hope my fingers aint dead.  | |
"If it’s about the lives of my men and their safety, I’d go through hell with a gasoline can," Lt. Col. Allen West, U.S. Army, Tikrit, Iraq | |
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| I was just sort of picturing this outlawing of guns thing. It sure could make life real interesting, real quick. I toed the straight and narrow, about my whole life. The chance of getting arrested for doing something stupid, loosing my freedom, and my right to own guns, has kept me in line. Well when the shit hits the fan, and my guns are the target of a grab, it's time to throw it out the window, and go the other way. Some people will say, keep it to yourself and don't let them know your intentions, well I'm of the opinion the more they know, the less chance of them doing it. We owe it to our forefathers, to uphold the Constitution and the God given rights of man. How could we just lay down and let that happen? If we did, we would be as bad as the socialists that threaten our rights. These rights are not given to us by our government, to be granted or taken away as they deem fit. We were born with these rights. The government only exists by the grace of man, but these rights exist by the grace of God. Of all the rights expressed in the Bill of Rights, the right of the people to keep and bear arms is of the first importance. It is the only right we have that gives us the ability to preserve the rest of our rights. Don | |
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| Here's another point of veiw on this, so many people have life so good, they aren't willing to fight for anything. Their principles have been set aside in order to maintain the lifestyles they have. I remember when I was growing up, school yard fights were almost a daily occurance. They were veiwed as character building, today the kids are sent to the school pychiatrist for an arguement. It's another case of what our children are being indoctrinated into. Somewhere along the line, we have lost the idea that some things are worth fighting for. The war protesters are evidence of that. We loose a couple of thousand Americans to terrorists on our own soil, and they don't understand why we need to fight. How can you expect these people to understand that rights are worth fighting for? If it doesn't have an effect on their table or their wallet, it doesn't matter. Don | |
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