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| John, thank you for the VERY FUN 125gr .357 load. Went to the range yesterday. BOOOOOOOOM-FLASH-SHOCKWAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Had two guys come up and ask to try it out. They couldn't figure out what was making the blast, and they were shooting .223 rifles. Very good conversation starter at the range. (And accurate) Steve. | |
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| What loads specifically were you shooting Steve? | |
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| 125gr XTP 14.5gr Blue Dot Winchester Brass Winchester standard small pistol primers (Not mag primers per SMITH's caution) No sticky extraction Slightly flattened primers. (About the same as my max 2400 loads.) Next time I am trying the H110 data. "So little money, so much powder to buy." Steve. | |
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| I shoot that exact load and it is a bucket of fun for sure. The cases just fall out of my gun with that load and primers are just barely flattened a tiny bit. The H110 loads I like better but maybe it is just because the recoil is so much stronger. If you roll some of them start out at about 21 grains and use the magnum primers, I have books showing 23 but at that level I am cratering the primers pretty good and extraction is getting a little sticky. 22.5 is as hot as I shoot, and my gun is pretty loose. It is a STOUT load. My buddies were more impressed by the 110 loads too for whatever that is worth, they are not really gun guys but they like to shoot. I am going to pick up some 2400 for use with 110 grain bullets, a case nearly full of 2400 ought to do I imagine LOL. The fire should be neat and the loads milder. | |
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| SMITH, your killin' me. 110grs with 2400 Hmmmmmmmmmm! I love this forum. Things I would never think of just leap off the screen. (with some help from the other members) Steve. | |
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| Went to Pro Bass Shop/Outdoor World today in Shreveport, on the way back from the VA, and found a new supply of SR 4756 for $9.95 a can. I think I paid $8.95 a can 15 years ago, but the can remains an 8 ounce can. I guess I can go out and load a few of those 12.0 gr 125 Golden Sabers .38 Specials tonight! I'll check a few 10.0 gr loads with this new IMR SR 4756 and see if it is the same as the old DuPont stuff I have been using. I tried to buy the Alcan 7 they had on display, but they said it probably empty.  | |
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| Paul, I sure would appreciate any chono and load data you come up with for the 4756 . Thanks, Howard. | |
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| Smith, I just came in from the loading area (I'm going to have to put a heater out there!). I loaded 4 rounds of 125 gr Rem Golden Saber, 12.0 gr SR 4756 with CCI 500 in R-P cases and an OAL of 1.5". Since I shoot these in a .357 mag the length isn't too important except to duplicate the pressure. However, this length puts the crimp just in front of the groove diameter band (the section further forward is land diameter). This load is just for grins, so I only loaded enough to finish off an old can of powder. Then I loaded 6 rounds of IMR SR 4756 that are exactly the same as above except I used 10.0 gr to compare to the 1200 fps load I will probably use that was worked up with the older powder. I hope to check these loads tomorrow with the Chrony after I take #1 grandson hunting. I haven't quite gotten him broken from talking when he should be looking, but I'm getting closer! Hopefully I'll get my new portable shooting bench finished in the near future so I can check accuracy better. What I'm using right now is just a little better than a forked stick! I suppose I should check some Golden Sabers with 14.0 gr 4756 in a .357 case to see if the velocity stays the same as 125 gr Sierra Hollow Cavities that were clocked at 1505 fps at 15'. I would think there is less friction with the Golden Sabers and the velocity should go up. My memory was off a little. The "newer" cans I have cost $5.99 a can in Feb. 1987. I bought it while I was at Camp Robinson, in Little Rock, when I was enduring a Training NCO course. EDIT: I forgot to say these are all weighed loads, since it was such a small batch and it is an untried max load. Edited on 12/1/2003 9:14:30 PM. | |
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| Heh, my shock-and-awe load in my 686+ is 125g golden saber on top of 14.7g blue dot with a nice snug taper crimp, win primers. Loaded up 50 of them for fun and not only did it turn the head of the guy shooting the desert eagle 44 mag next to me, it was surprisingly accurate. I always wonder how much errosion such a flame thrower does to the barrel. The desert eagle guy punched some holes with it too and wanted to know the load data. He had a chrono and this load measured 1700-1825 for all 7 shots. Seems sort of high and I was wondering if the chrono was too close to the bench and picking up the some of the 'awe' part. | |
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| BrianC, Since Speer #13 indicates 13.0 gr Blue Dot is a max load with a 125 gr bullet and it is reported at 1333 fps (which is only 80 fps faster than 11.5 gr), I would think 1700 fps is faster than actual velocity. I have set my chrony at a measured 15' for everything so I don't have to worry about interference from blast and flying crud. | |
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| I have shot 110g Winchester jacketed hollow points (bevel based) over 15.8g Blue Dot. I used Winchester Magnum Primers instead of the Federal 200s which are listed in the Alliant Reloading Manual. The manual shows 16.0g as a max load with 2040fps! Well my load was great. Super accurate, BUT the cases were so sticky that I had to almost knock them out and the primers were completely flat. The cases sealed so well against the cylinder chambers - they looked like unfired, not the slightest powder residue anywhere. Since the gun was a 357 Redhawk I wasn't concerned at all, but I would not want to shoot this in any of my Smith and Wessons. Oh yeah, the guys at the lanes besides me sure took notice whenever I was firing. | |
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| HR, Speer #10 lists 17.0 gr of Blue Dot as a max with 110 gr bullets. The velocity is only 1671 fps in a 6" Security Six. Speer #13 shows 16.0 gr Blue Dot as a max with 1680 fps. With a 110 gr bullet, 15.0 gr SR 4756 Speer #8 shows 1662 fps. For Alliant to be getting that kind of velocity, they must have used a real long barrel. | |
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| Blue Dot Load Data Alliant states 1795FPS for 7.5 grain blue dot under 125g JSP, 5.6" barrel- So maybe my measured speeds are reasonable | |
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| BrianC and HogRider, Hey, I'm one who believes, "Speed Kills"! If you are actually getting that kind of velocity, I may have to seriously consider Blue Dot. | |
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